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Prudence Louise's avatar

You say - “One problem with Chalmers’ formulation of the hard problem has always been that it has dualism baked into its axioms, and this makes it unsolvable without dualism as a solution.”

This isn’t right, the dualism is baked into physicalism. If we start with the idea that the physical consists of the objective features of reality – the stuff physics studies – then it’s this conception of the physical that creates the mind-body problem. If that’s what the physical consists of, we can’t incorporate mind into the physical world. Hence, the dualism and the hard problem.

Physicalist solutions either deny the existence of consciousness (eg eliminativism, functionalism) or deny there is a hard problem. (eg Seth's "real" problem which turns out to be solvable by neuroscience).

Does our society even know how to do ontology anymore?

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Scott Lipscomb's avatar

I should begin by saying that I have not read Solms & Friston, and so I am getting my understanding of their position from your summary above.

That said, it seems to me they profoundly misunderstand the philosophical dimension of the problem they are trying to address here, and are instead converting a basic epistemological and phenomenological problem into an ontological one, and thereby smuggling their conclusion in as a premise.

This is most notable in the way they seem to leverage both "dual aspect" monism (I take it this is another term for Russell's "neutral monism"?) but also emergentism. But I think these two views are mutually incompatible. If neutral monism argues that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of real stuff, then there is no need to discuss how consciousness would emerge due to specific physical states or systems (neutral monism is in many ways a version of non-physicalist panpsychism—note that according to this monist position, real stuff is no more physical than it is non-physical). On the emergentist reading of property dualism (which holds that basically real stuff is physical, and has physical as well as non-physical properties), consciousness is defined by a set of non-physical properties that are not fundamental but rather arise from—and are metaphysically dependent upon—physical stuff and physical properties. This is a different metaphysical position than neutral or dual-aspect monism, and *if* they are conflating them, this is a huge problem in their proposal.

As I mentioned in a comment on part I, the essential issue here is a conflation of the *contents* of consciousness with consciousness itself *as such*. Confusing these two things is common, especially among physicalist philosophies of mind, but it's a massive epistemological and category error, akin to confusing the Atlantic ocean for the chemical laws that define and cause dihydrogen oxide.

Science is an outgrowth of natural philosophy, and cannot escape the confines of doing philosophy logically and consistently. But too often scientists who engage in philosophical discourse do not seem to have the basic grounding philosophy they would need to contribute helpfully to that discourse (in my humble, humanities-trained opinion).

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